Curse

The Herbalizer · Apr 28, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by BellyFlop

I dint read all the treads cos i tired off piss heads with this type of comments, but just a note to you, why don’t you visit a non community forums, cos a community one is when people share and help people out and not acting like a spoil twat with that comment. I know something but I am not telling anyone! That’s like kindergarten crap.

If you know a good spot just don’t say it full stop don’t some and say you know of one and you not telling.

Same thing applies to Str0b0 maybe u the one that need a bone to keep you mouth shut cos it sound like thats what you like to do.

If u want to blame someone blame Anet or now called NerfNet. If they keep doing this I see the casual gamer stopping playing the game, cos not everyone got 8hours a day to play this game if they do they would be playing the other game.

What is the chance of a casual gamer getting FOW? Ebay? Maybe that’s what they want!

Well they say with great proud that Lv20 is just a number and they don’t want people to lvs up like if they were in a treadmill or something like that, but this game now feels more and more like a treadmill, just the LV stays at 20.

LOL. *After reading thread, goes back to counting ectos and admiring my fow armor. After that I organise my item collection worth many millions of gold*

Above comment says it all really. Go farm trolls or something lol. Cookie cutters ftl. People are poor because they all flock to forums looking for cookie cutter ways of making gold. Those who go out and find new ways of making gold succeed.

ShadowFyre · Apr 28, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by Ctb

To all the people whining that he doesn't want to share his "uber cool" stuff with you...

If it really bothers you, please take note that you could just as easily assume he's lying through his teeth to either agitate people or make himself feel better. It doesn't matter which perspective you choose to view the claims from since he precluded any possibility of proving them one way or another.

Newsflash: the world contains emotionally unstable people who try to exert dominance in unhealthy ways. Learn to deal with it, because they're everywhere in both cyber and meatspace.

Sure the world contains people in such a manner. I'm not the most emotionally stable either. Hell I'm currently on about *looks at dresser* 4 different types of mood medications. But, to see someone come to a community style forum and game. Then say, "Don't share.." Is like going to a track meet, enter it, then ask the other runners to stay at your pace. And with the builds. Bascially like using a form of karate (excuse me for spelling) going to a contest entering and winning. Then when asked what technique you say, "Sorry I can comment on that its personal." Come on. If you don't like the way a game is run. Then simply don't play it or don't bother with forums/people in general.

XeNoGeArZ · Apr 28, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

ANET already knows what areas will be farmed eventually, since they are the ones that set what monsters drop what runes and rares. WHEN the botters get there (it is only a matter of time), it is when they will decide to nerf the area. Same way they have done with Tyria in the recent update.

I am also FOR everyone finding their own builds instead of using a copy of anothers, but I doubt this will happen. There are many forums out there, besides this one, you cannot stop everyone from sharing a build within a community. The one thing that sickens me, is when someone like Racthoh shares a build to solo a high lvl area like FOW, and then people start a "service" of showing others how to do it for a fee, when really they just copied the main tactics of that one person's build (what skills, what monsters to farm, etc). Especially when the guide and basic "how-to", INCLUDING videos, is in a thread in the same site's forum. But ah well, there is nothing to stop those guys either.

The advantage of releasing a build is the notoriety. It can seperate yourself from all those others using copied builds, proving you are basically an MVP.

Ctb · Apr 28, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Sure the world contains people in such a manner. I'm not the most emotionally stable either. Hell I'm currently on about *looks at dresser* 4 different types of mood medications. But, to see someone come to a community style forum and game. Then say, "Don't share.." Is like going to a track meet, enter it, then ask the other runners to stay at your pace. And with the builds. Bascially like using a form of karate (excuse me for spelling) going to a contest entering and winning. Then when asked what technique you say, "Sorry I can comment on that its personal." Come on. If you don't like the way a game is run. Then simply don't play it or don't bother with forums/people in general.

First of all, there is no mechanism in the game requiring that people cooperate in anything but the most trivial manner. He is under no obligation to share anything with anybody either by hard rule or community standard.

Second of all, why do you care that he posts things like this? He's just griefing on the board just like any common child does in-game. Even if he really does have something worthwhile, the fact that he refuses to share it only highlights that he is not somebody worthy of attention. People that are truly accomplished in their chosen field and who deserve respect are leaders, others who are accomplished but refuse to lead are inconsequential and can be simply ignored. All of this, of course, still ignores the fact that for all you know, he's lying through his teeth.

Sparks Dawnbringer · Apr 28, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

First, you don't have to share any thing with any one. Second, you can if you want. Farming is fun and I don't think they should be so worried about over farming. If you are willing to spend the time you should be able to reap the benifits. My farming place has been pretty nerfed lately. Well, I'll just go somewhere else for a while and later my farming hole will be better. There are lots of ways to make money in the game.

ShadowFyre · Apr 28, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

My fellow farmers, now that factions is upon us I know many of you will soon be seeking out those elusive hot spots for loot throughout the game. and many of us will be testing builds and methods to get the goodies from these spots. The thrill of the build and the find are what matters to us and by god this new chapter offers untold riches for us to get our hands on. Let us learn from the mistakes of the past as we venture into this new chapter in Guild Wars.

I'd like to really address one mistake that sort of catches all the mistakes up in one group. Let's try to keep our mouths shut this time. If you find the next awesome, solo super assassin or ritualist build keep it to yourself. If you find a spot where rare items and runes fall form the heavens like rain do not post it on this forum or any other forum for that matter. We've seen broad nerfs across the board because people just have to share. Knock it off already. A sense of community is one thing but cutting our own throats is another entirely.

Remember the goal of the game is to have fun but there is no reason you can't make some loot while you do it. Just remember if you want to keep making the loot then the last thing you need to do is tell about your new farming spot or your new awesome solo build. I hope this has instilled you all with the appropriate amount of caution.

Alright then. This is for you to see Ctb. See read the second paragraph. He basically says "Fing stop posting." This is more like an order then a statement made to show his view. Asking is one way, then there is this guys way. Total immoral. The mechanics of th game is to get people to play together. Otherwise there wouldn't be missions. Or areas with decently tough monsters that are best worked toegther. Example Uw and FoW. If they really wanted to make this game less communtiy then these two places wouldn't be as tough and more easily solo'd. But instead they are both tough and best worked with minimum of 2 man teams. "Teams" . If you want to argue more then please lets take this to PM's. I don't wish to clutter this thread with senseless arguing.

zulu123 · Apr 28, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Phrozenflame

How the hell are the supposed to control an inflation? Buy limiting supply or demand, depending whats causing it. .

There are many ways to control inflation. Add loads and loads of money sinks is one of them.

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Decent Weapons are cheap to get, infact they are free to get, go figure.

I agree there are a few decent weapons available from collectors. But there isnt enough variety. And whatever weapons you do get are ofcourse clean without any weapon upgrades. If this wasnt true there wouldnt be a huge demand/market for weapons. Why would people even bother to buy anything if everything was avaialable from collectors?

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Look at the hyporcracy of your post, You want a place where ppl can earn lods of cash, and at the same time you want to control inflation?

I never asked for a place to maked LOADS and LOADS of money ok? All I want is a place that can make me a decent amount so I would be able to buy some weapons/armor sets that I needed. I know for people like you 20K gold is nothing. But for casual players like me it isnt trivial and extremely time consuming.

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Ever wondered why the Governments didnt start mass publishing currency notes to pay all their bills? You think governments are stupdid when they take billions of dollars of loans? You think those economists who spend like dunno...entire lifes studying economics and go work in federal banks are idiots? when they could just print more money and exchange it and get all the dollars they need?

When everyone has more money, they will all be willing to pay more, hence hyper inflation, it will just kill the new players.

ANet has done a great job so far. keep nerfing where nerfs are required

So the only way Anet can control inflation is by constant nerfing of builds and farmable spots, is it? Bravo!!! What creativity and ingeniousness on their part.

Cottage Pie · Apr 28, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Zulu, this is the crux...

"I never asked for a place to maked LOADS and LOADS of money ok? All I want is a place that can make me a decent amount so I would be able to buy some weapons/armor sets that I needed. I know for people like you 20K gold is nothing. But for casual players like me it isnt trivial and extremely time consuming."

So all those players make 20k, ok? but, the sellers want more money! So everyone goes back to farming, getting another 20k...and another...and another...when the sellers price point, that is at the edge of reason, has been met, the seller is gloating happily and the buyer is so 'farmed up' he thinks the weapon gives him status and respect in relation to other farmers. Everyone else also has all this gold floating about so prices raise up, and up until the sellers (player merchants) are extracting every last bit of gold possible from the farmers. What a lovely situation

And you get something called a vanity economy where nobody plays the game much cos they're all farming...trying to make up for their bad luck with hundreds of hours of bot-like killing. Killing a bunch of enies a few times is fun, but soon it's like gambling, y'know...just another run through, perhaps i'll make up for all my lost time getting shit with a good gold drop!!...it's ultimately an empty addiction to a real life time-sink...utterly unproductive, really...only redeeming thing is you can talk to guild mates or what not.

Farming is so wrong, so completely wrong, an aspect of MMORPGs that is completely empty and basically damaging to the player, hopefully people will learn that anet will always place the game above all else, and that attitude will rub off onto the players, and farming will become a joke.

itznitro · Apr 28, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Hippocheesebarn

I see no reason why things can't be made public for the greater good,

I'm sorry but I didnt think this forum supported communism? I agree the only REASONable answer is not to divulge newer farming locations and builds, but, as I have come to learn in this game and in life, Private Greed is subordinated by public need :/

Ctb · Apr 28, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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I'm sorry but I didnt think this forum supported communism?

Your first step before using that word again would be to come to at least a rudimentary understanding of social and economic communism. At that point you will realize that the comment above was completely irrelevant and nonsensical in relation to the comment you responded to. "greater good" does not automatically indicate communism.

Nobody is under any obgliation to share or keep secrets. Do whatever you want. The people who are complaining are complaining because strobo and friends are basically tlrying to order other people around.

Simply ignore them. If you don't like trolls/griefers, don't respond to them. Simple as that. Play your own game in your own way and tell anybody else trying to coerce you to do otherwise to go take a flying leap.

Big_L · Apr 28, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Keeping dumb information secret so you can hoard gold or whatever the hell you are farming is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. I'm not saying you have to tell everyone where you farm or what skills you use, but trying to keep people from helping others is just stupid.

Zulu, your make some good points, and I would agree with you, but there are a couple problems. If farming actually yielded some decent amount of money and perfect rare weapons were all over the place, the PvErs who farm all day would cry about not having any "rewards." Why? because everyone has a perfect crystalline sword, so theirs doesn't mean anything. So then Anet adds items to the game with a much higher rarity. Now the casual gamer can't afford it, so they complain and everyone has it. The PvErs cry again. Its a cycle that Anet is trying hard not to get into.

As it is now, anyone can be competitive with the amount of money it takes to simply play the game. If you wanna farm all day, then you have your precious rewards which are just rare skinned armor and weapons. If Anet wanted to, they could take away the incentive to farm. That would mean they would have to add a LOT more content, because the game would have no replayability. This is not really an option.

The way things are now, the game works. PvErs can't cry about not having rewards, and casual players can't cry about not being competitive.

Str0b0 · Apr 28, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I'm not trying to order anyone around. Jesus Jumping christ. LoL I'm just making a suggestion to keep the nerfing of farming areas to a minimum in this new game. It isn't as if I'm saying." You shut your mouths or I'll fly out to your house and burn it down around you and put your family in a concentration camp." Trying to order people around online is about as stupid and pointless as it gets because I'm probably at least a hundred miles away from the nearest person on this forum to me. God lighten up a little people. Go get laid or something. I'm right about one thing though. The more farming areas that get put onto forums the faster they get nerfed by Anet in the name of balance. Balance can be achieved by simply keeping this information to yourself and your guild. If not everyone finds them then there is no mass influx of items.

quickmonty · Apr 28, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Nice to have a spot where you can make some gold quick, before Anet swings the nerf bat. Have you seen the costs of guild hall improvements? There goes half my stash

Mustache Mayhem · Apr 28, 2006, 09:04 PM // 21:04

well the thing that really drives his point is alot of real money making farmer builds are skill builds where it takes more than a bot to pull off- like rachtoh's fow spider run and the queen run I posted while back.. It would be nice to share these builds and not have the area or boss get nerfed because you can do it.. not everyone can do these runs because they are just bad players.. those guys end up in the common botting areas and complain there's nothing to farm.. area is one thing but a a skill run (drokars, solo uw, solo sorrows bosses, solo fow) is another- I would'nt post a skill run (unless it's literally a service like running- anet does'nt seem to care much about that) just been my experience- I would love to but all your quick money will get nerfed fast, it's better to ride it while it's still undiscovered- make your money and hit your goals in game.. trust me if your making a few hundred k a day on a skill run and post it- it'll be nerfed.. it's kinda hard not to post it especially if it's ingenious.. I used to think that anets game testers were short bus riders but nowdays I'm not so sure (or they got new testers) anyways this game is great- but just know anet watches the boards =]

ignis · Apr 28, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

sneaky farmers must die. I encourage as many people as possible to spill the farmer's secrets to the world.

quickmonty · Apr 28, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

There are no farming spots/builds that are secret. If I can figure it out I'm sure that there are at least a few others that can. One person tells someone, or posts in the forums and the next thing you know you see 50 X/Y professions heading out of the same town ...... farming. (Check out the W/Mo's leaving Beetletun in a steady stream

) Anet does check the forums for the hot spots. They can then confirm it through their logs. (I doubt they pour through the logs on a regular basis without a hint of where to look ... but I could be wrong). Next .... nerf ... people cry that their favorite spot was nerfed, and the process starts all over again. I'll tell a few close friends in the guild after I've had some fun, and they also share. It goes through the guild and, I know, out to the general population.

I don't buy rare skinned weapons. I do buy vanity armor and green weapons and some max mods for some other weapons. Most of my gold goes back into the guild. Buying Droks armor for members, or giving them nice weapons and runes. Just purchased (along with another wealthy guild member) some services for the guild hall.

It's all in fun .... just a game (yes I have a life, a job, a g/f and many hobbies besides GW) and I do enjoy it.

Especially enjoy topics like this. The good, the bad AND the ugly all show up.

Peace

Riceboi · Apr 28, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

/signed

itznitro · Apr 29, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Your first step before using that word again would be to come to at least a rudimentary understanding of social and economic communism. At that point you will realize that the comment above was completely irrelevant and nonsensical in relation to the comment you responded to. "greater good" does not automatically indicate communism.

Nobody is under any obgliation to share or keep secrets. Do whatever you want. The people who are complaining are complaining because strobo and friends are basically tlrying to order other people around.

Simply ignore them. If you don't like trolls/griefers, don't respond to them. Simple as that. Play your own game in your own way and tell anybody else trying to coerce you to do otherwise to go take a flying leap.

Don't feel like responding to/on this thread to make a flame war, private message me if you would like to argue my graduate degree in econ.

byteme! · Apr 29, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Freedom of speech. I'm gonna share my secrets whether you like it or not.

Seissor · Apr 29, 2006, 07:49 AM // 07:49

I'll tell ppl how to farm and the build, I was all "oh noes an anti-farm nerf!" but i aint even farmed just played the game and I've made 50k easy.